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[Hybrid09]

Hello All,


This is my first post here. I am not a real big chatter, but have always stopped here to see whats going on in our industry. Today I was too compelled to post here with actions taken by Brad Mitchell and HMU.


To give you a little background about me, I have been in the OP industry for about 4 years now and would consider my sites pretty high volume (about 2800 orders a month). Have only been with HMU for about 5 months and have seen nothing but trouble! Today we received notification that all our customers that have ever placed an order through our sites to HMU received an email telling them that they should order from a different site of HMU's for a special offer. I even received about 20 emails to my catch all email accounts for the domains that were dummied in when doing testing on the order forms!


They are truly the worst program out there and you will be robbed blind if you stay with them. They will call all your customers and they will over time change all your existing customers over to their other sites like PrescriptionDrugs.com. Leave now and save the customers that you still have. Why would anyone want to stay with a program that:


Steals Refills by calling customers and emailing them to go to another site
Lowers your commission at every chance they get
Rips you off by charging you for send your paychecks to you


Also, go to your website and remove the dot after the www. For example: if you site is www.prescriptions.com (http://www.prescriptions.com/), type in wwwprescriptions.comYou will find that HMU is going around and purchasing your domain without the dot in hopes of catching your customers typo when trying to get to your site! This is mostly the case for High volume affiliates. TELL ME THAT IS NOT SLEAZY.


It does not benefit me if you listen to my message or not, but im sure you work hard for your money as I do and deserve better.


Good Luck

[Hybrid09]

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[jallan]

Can you post the email?

[DaveM]

Would you please post a copy of the email you are referring to and an example of the domains you alledged they have purchased?


That would go along way in demonstrating your crediblity (no offense intended).


Thanks.

[Gavin]

Hello All,


This is my first post here. I am not a real big chatter, but have always stopped here to see whats going on in our industry. Today I was too compelled to post here with actions taken by Brad Mitchell and HMU.


To give you a little background about me, I have been in the OP industry for about 4 years now and would consider my sites pretty high volume (about 2800 orders a month). Have only been with HMU for about 5 months and have seen nothing but trouble! Today we received notification that all our customers that have ever placed an order through our sites to HMU received an email telling them that they should order from a different site of HMU's for a special offer. I even received about 20 emails to my catch all email accounts for the domains that were dummied in when doing testing on the order forms!


They are truly the worst program out there and you will be robbed blind if you stay with them. They will call all your customers and they will over time change all your existing customers over to their other sites like PrescriptionDrugs.com which is owned by Brad's little bitches. Brad Mitchell is obviously the kulprit Asshole involved in this whole change for the worst. This guy is so full of himself and will feed you so much bullsh*t. DO NOT BUY INTO IT. Leave now and save the customers that you still have. Why would anyone want to stay with a program that:


Steals Refills by calling customers and emailing them to go to another site
Lowers your commission at every chance they get
Rips you off by charging you for send your paychecks to you


Also, go to your website and remove the dot after the www. For example: if you site is www.prescriptions.com (http://www.prescriptions.com), type in wwwprescriptions.comYou will find that HMU is going around and purchasing your domain without the dot in hopes of catching your customers typo when trying to get to your site! This is mostly the case for High volume affiliates. TELL ME THAT IS NOT SLEAZY.


It does not benefit me if you listen to my message or not, but im sure you work hard for your money as I do and deserve better.


Good Luck








Doesn't surprise me. I don't know why any fool would stay with these pricks.

[Hybrid09]

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[Hybrid09]

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[krl]

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[Hybrid09]

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[CYCLEON]

Look at the order form of each of those sites. All HMU.


It is definitely HMU involved.How would this person know what sites are high volume. They are feed that info. by HMU and then the domain is purchased.



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I just checked all my domains as well minus the dot....and they are all redirected to http://www.usprescription.com/ (http://www.usprescription.com/)which is an affiliate of HMU as well... I think you may be on to something smileys/smiley7.gif

[smokey]

I had the same thing happen to 1 of my domains last year. If you actually own thedomain you can sue. You have to give the person with the domain a chance to sell it to you for a reasonable price. If anyone needs a lawyer that specializes in this field I will look for the 1 I used.

[yomamma]

DOS time! say bye bye

[smokey]

DOS time! say bye bye


Don't take this personal, but I would be careful what you post out here.smileys/smiley2.gif

[yomamma]

just saying what everyone is thinking

[DMMailer]

As a veteran Email Marketer, these are things I look out for when joining a program. As many people know, Email Marketing companies are not the most profitable venture. I made a good 3 year run in the "heyday" of email markeitng. Now, I mainly use my network of sites and opt-in lists to use as an affiliate of many companies, including HGH, Penis Enlargement, Breast Patches, Rx, and cigarettes.


I have been an affiliate at one point or another with RxMedical, (sorry to see them leave), MWSLLC,EVA (now HMU), and a Canadian Drug Company.


With the help of my technology team, I have collected millions of emails opted in at my various network sites. Each time I run a campaign, I "seed" the list with at least 100BRAND NEW email addresses. I do this to see if the company I affiliate with will re-market to them for their own benefit.


I have been with HMU since last August as an affiliate of one of their recruiters. When I joined they were still EVA Global. I got close with them and focused my efforts with them as they were the most responsive to my needs. Each time I do a campaign, I "order" with my seeded emails just to know they have them on record and available to re-market to their existing sites.


For the record, I have never had anyone from EVA/HMU email my "customers" or try to steal business. After reading this post today, I immediately called my recruiter to find out if this was true. He mentioned to me that the site is an affiliate, and also that HMU sends out re-order notices on the affiliates behalf (which i already new.) He also stressed that if I would enable my outbound call-backs, I would see that HMU actually does call back customers on my behalf and charge $15 for the service. (I thought it was a bad idea at first, but now I am willing to test it.)


So all in all, I think this post is misleading. However, I am considering flying to Costa Rica to meet Brad Mitchell. My affiliate recruiter told me i did enough volume to accompany them on the next meeting.


I will warn some of you though, there are companies out there that do email your clients/customers. Stay away from HGH and cigarrettes...if you want more details, PM me.


I'll keep everyone posted on the outbound call situation to see if they actually do it.

[Hybrid09]

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[Gavin]

This post is NOT misleading at all. I have outbound calls enabled and have recieved the emails and can send anyone in here 100's of these emails showing how HMU is stealing refills. For you to say that it is misleading is ridiculous. LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE! You are truly fooling yourself, and only yourself if you believe the crap you are saying. Or you just work for Brad and are trying to downplay this post (most likely). Brad made the same offer to fly me to come meet him just as he as with you. My friend you are just another victim to fall into the fly trap or part of the fly trap.


I agree. We already knew they were theives before this. This is just one example of many.


If your reading Brad - Two Words - f**k YOU.

[DaveM]

I would suggest to any of you who's domain names have been registered in the form mentioned above, that you contact the hosting companies where the domain and redirected domain are located. Most likely, they will be Rackspace.com and Internap.com explaining the situation (abuse@rackspace.com and abuse@internap.com).


Then contact your attorney in regards to filing one or both of the appropriate legal actions under UDRP or ACPA.

[DMMailer]

This post is NOT misleading at all. I have outbound calls enabled and have recieved the emails and can send anyone in here 100's of these emails showing how HMU is stealing refills. For you to say that it is misleading is ridiculous. LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE! You are truly fooling yourself, and only yourself if you believe the crap you are saying. Or you just work for Brad and are trying to downplay this post (most likely). Brad made the same offer to fly me to come meet him just as he as with you. My friend you are just another victim to fall into the fly trap or part of the fly trap.


I agree. We already knew they were theives before this. This is just one example of many.


If your reading Brad - Two Words - f**k YOU.








Maybe my post was misleading. Brad never invited me down there. It was my recruiter. I have only had email contact regarding commissions. And in fact this is my first day posting, as I read several forums on a daily basis and haven't felt the necessity to post anything until I read this post. If you do have emails sent out on HMU's behalf where they solicit to your clients, please do share. I still don't understand why Brad gets a bad name, considering my source says that site belongs to an affiliate, and not Brad.


By all means I'm not on one side of the fence or the other, just stating from what i have gathered I don't see any harm on their behalf. Please share with me anything proving otherwise.

[ChesterCrackpot]

just saying what everyone is thinking


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[Hybrid09]

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[DMMailer]

Where is the example email you reference?

[Hybrid09]

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[DMMailer]

Oh, that email. For the record, my "seeded" emails never received these notifications. Looks like a small percentage of people were affected by this.


Another thought....did you ever leave their program? If you left, maybe they took your customers. Just food for thought....

[Hybrid09]

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[CYCLEON]

RING RING!!!





TURNKEY RX


LOL



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Lmao....

[DMMailer]

RING RING!!!





TURNKEY RX


LOL








I'd like to know what was discussed in your call with Mark. Please inform us after your call.

[overdose]

wow, people do get lost on a three page thread?


DMMailer, who's your recruiter? TurnkeyRx?

[Lily]

I don't doubt that HMU is stealing commissions. How you deal with people says a LOT. Brad is not a pleasant person when he has to deal with a problem, and he may or may not answer your emails. I changed my links a long time ago because of the legal reasons, and I don't regret it one bit since now I have Aaron at MPLLC to deal with and he's the best! He's always pleasant, even late at night after he's most likely worked all day long. I'd much rather send my business over to MPLLC...

[DMMailer]

wow, people do get lost on a three page thread?


DMMailer, who's your recruiter? TurnkeyRx?





No, not TurnkeyRx. Although I did meet them in Las Vegas. Nice guys.

[DaveM]

I wouldn't say that this post did nothing. You have at least brought to light a potential Copyright/Trademark issue which seems to effect a lot of domain names, mine included.


I have already taken steps to address this issue and appreciate you pointing it out.

[DMMailer]

I wouldn't say that this post did nothing. You have at least brought to light a potential Copyright/Trademark issue which seems to effect a lot of domain names, mine included.


I have already taken steps to address this issue and appreciate you pointing it out.








Great point, Dave. I will be doing the same.

[phalaris]

DMMailer,


Are you the current avatar of turnkeyrx/pharmacy316/marketingmaster/lowballerssuck etc. etc.? I asked because every time someone posts something negative about HMU we have some newbie who is claiming to bewith long experience come to defend HMU.

[DMMailer]

My avatar is a face that I chose because the rest of the choices offered by this forum were very poor. I am not TurnkeyRx or anyone else. If you read my posts you will see that is very clear.





Who are you?

[phalaris]

Who are you?


Doesn't matter.

[DMMailer]

I could care less who you are. I only asked because you asked me who I was. Sounds like a fair question, right? And again if you read my posts, I am not "pro-HMU." I am simply stating my facts and trying to figure out what is going on in this program.


Why was Hybrid's post deleted? This is strange.

[redex]

smileys/smiley8.gif


Time to call the CSI team.


"Who are you? Who? who? whoi? who?"

[Hybrid09]

Intially, i requested to have this post deleted after a conversation with Mark from TurkeyRx. Mark is definitely a nice guy and tried to resolve the situation. There is a correction on the situation, it is not HMU that is selling the list of all our customers, it is actually RxMedicalNetwork! Drugoutlet.com, an affiliate of TurnkeyRx, bought the lists from them. Now, I like so many of you are receiving 100's of emails from this guy trying to solicite my customers. Mark said he would put a stop to this, but still another 200 came in again today.


I am also receiving emails from HMU, solicitingmy customersto go to another HMU site. So yes, they are stealing my customers as well, so by no means has my opinion or the situation changed. Im not some spolled affiliate, just an honest guy who is getting screwed.

Like I said, I do appreciate Mark trying to fix the situation, but I dont think anyone can change all the Shadyness that is going on with this program.


If this gets resolved I will keep you guys posted. I am not one to sugar coat it, so if it stays unresolved you know you will be hearing it.

[drugsdr]

Now, I like so many of you are receiving 100's of emails from this guy trying to solicite my customers. Mark said he would put a stop to this, but still another 200 came in again today.


So have you or anybody else reported the spam to their service providers and upstream network companies? Enough people report the abuse and their site could get pilled, then no longer any problem. When they move to a new provider report them again.

Get on the phone and bust some balls if you have to to get results. If a hosting facility get enough complaints they will usually pull the plug on a customer.

The only reason people do this sort of thing is to make money. So limit their ability to make any money from their spamming and they will give up and go onto an easier way to make money.

[Hybrid09]

Good call drugsdr. I will look up that info and send their host a few emails.

[DaveM]

TurnkeyRx Affiliate Program - Terms &amp; Conditions


7. Spam - Use of unsolicited email/spam to promote our website is prohibited. If you use spam to promote the site we will terminate this agreement.


So, why haven't they (Drugoutlet.com) been terminated? Of course I know the answer, SALES! TurnkeyRx/HMU's T&amp;C is like everyone else. If you spam, get a lot of complaints, and are not productive you get pulled. Spam, get a lot of complaints and make sales no problem. The fact that Drugoutlet.com was even able to afford to alledgedly buy the list demonstrates that they are making serious money for HMU.

[redex]

Simple, Dave. Drugoutlet.com is not using spam to promote turnkeyrx.com


Read the fine print LOL smileys/smiley8.gif


TurnkeyRx Affiliate Program - Terms &amp; Conditions


7. Spam - Use of unsolicited email/spam to promote our website is prohibited.

[DaveM]

So because he is not spamming to promote TurnKeyRx only his own site, there is no penalty?


I get it now!


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[hector]

FWIW, it's not even the volume sites that are being copied with
the missing dot mentioned here. My domains were grabbed
too.

[RxRob]

They got me, too.


Smokey, who was the lawyer you used?


Did you also recover lawyers fees?

[redex]

I don't see the legal leg to stand on here. It is obvious


www.mydomain.com (http://www.mydomain.com) is nowhere near the same as


www.wwwmydomain.com (http://www.wwwmydomain.com)


ICANN may get them back for you at $1500 each for a domain dispute initiation fee


$1500 PER DOMAIN. Good luck

[SuckerFree]

They got me too.


I'm not worried about sueing or getting my domain back...but I hope everyone realizes that this is another example of how shi**y HMU/TurnkeyRx/Plat-Rx is!!!


How can anyone continue to support these guys and try to say good things about them. If you enjoy being screwed, then that is one thing. But don't pretend that they are a good company.


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"Will pay well for high volumn sites. pm me."

[NewbiusMaximus]

FYI, they got me too. wwwwebdrugsrus.com


I don't promote the site anymore, but I was getting some good refill action until the last month or so....now it's dropped to zero.

[NewbiusMaximus]

Jeez,


I see that it redirects to http://www.healthydrugs.com/. Sleeze bags.

[RxRob]

Nah, it's PAINFULLY obvious that his/her intent was to siphon traffic away from www.domain.com (http://www.domain.com) by registering wwwdomain.com


Try going to wwwyahoo.com or wwwgoogle.com


At any rate, I'll lump all domains into one lawsuit, if possible. I'll also go for damages and attorney's fees.


$1500? I'll dump 10k into it just sohe/she thinks twice about doing something similar again.

[DaveM]

If your domain name is registered at as a trademark, it's a no brainer. They fight, they lose big time!


If you just want them to surrender the domain name to avoid lawyer fees, court costs, damages. etc. simply offer them the fair value of the transfer fee for each domain (about $6.95). If they are smart, they will cut their loses and jump on it. If not ...


Send them a certified letter and gauge their response. Also, notify their hosting companies. If they ignore you or tell you to f**k off, turn the big dogs loose.

[redex]

Looks like the same person except he left the healthydrugs whois info wide open for the taking. smileys/smiley3.gif

[phalaris]

Google fought for and got wwwgoogle.com from an individual: http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2000/d2000-12 (http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2000/d2000-1240.html) 40.html


Microsoft got wwwmicrosoft.com the same way: http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2000/d2000-12 (http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2000/d2000-1274.html) 74.html


In the wwwmicrosoft.com case the judgment said:


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(a) that the domain name wwwmicrosoft.com is confusingly similar to the MICROSOFT trademark in which the Complainant has rights;


(b) that the Respondent has no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the domain name; and


(c) that the Respondent registered and has used the domain name in bad faith."


All these 3 points are also valid for the actions of HMU or its affiliate. $1500 + lawyer's fee is all that is needed to hunt this thief down, IMHO.

[hector]

And the healthydrugs owner just so happens to be the same
owner of one of my wwwdomains. USprescription.com has the
other domain and that whois info is also quite available.

[seodoc]

I don't think that any of you have trademarked your domain/sites, so I
don't think that anybody is going to grant you rights to these domains.



Like it really matters anyhow, you won't lose 1 sale a year off this, so who cares?



Obviously if the wwwyoursite.com had any value, most of you would have registered it a long time ago.



How does this have anything to do with hope mills?

[DaveM]

phalaris,


you forgot to add these two:


"Adopting a domain name primarily for the purpose of disrupting the business of a competitor."


and


"Intentionally attempting to draw visitors to the web site of the domain by creating a likelihood of confusion between the domain and the trademark."


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[redex]

ICANN will get your domain for you. It costs $1500 and three months. If it is worth it, go for it. I would rather not spend $1500 PER DOMAIN to get wwwmydomain.com


Will we need op related domains in three months? LOL

[affiliate777]

You don't have to trademark a site to claim that the name belongs to you. If you've established a presence on the internet consistently using a domain name, the name is yours. Just last month, I easily won a domain from a cybersquatter who had the "dot-com" version of one of my sites. It was pretty funny, actually: The squatter demanded $3500 for the name; I (and my attorney) counter-offered $100, and the squatter accepted it immediately. What a loser. smileys/smiley8.gif

[Thinker]

This guy got my names too. In one instance, he registered a name only a couple of days after I registered the name.


I've already complained to rackspace. He will be getting a letter from me this week.





[whois.directnic.com]
Registration and WHOIS Service Provided By: directNIC.com

Intercosmos Media Group, Inc. provides the data in the directNIC.com
Registrar WHOIS database for informational purposes only. The information
may only be used to assist in obtaining information about a domain name's
registration record.

directNIC makes this information available "as is," and does not guarantee
its accuracy.

Registrant:
charlie redman
2465 palisade ave.
New York, NY 10463
US
718-884-1666


Domain Name: USPRESCRIPTION.COM

Administrative Contact:
Redman, Charlie tomk668@aol.com
2465 palisade ave.
New York, NY 10463
US
718-884-1666


Technical Contact:
Redman, Charlie tomk668@aol.com
2465 palisade ave.
New York, NY 10463
US
718-884-1666


Record last updated 11-20-2003 04:34:03 AM
Record expires on 06-07-2007
Record created on 06-07-2002

Domain servers in listed order:
NS.RACKSPACE.COM 207.235.16.2
NS2.RACKSPACE.COM 207.71.44.121

[DaveM]

The address is different then the address that comes back on the phone number. They are about .4 miles apart and both in the Bronx. One is East of the Henry Hudson Pkwy. and the other is West near the river.


Any Bronx homies in the house?

[overdose]

that name totally reminded me a thread posted here before regarding those "typo domain names" or "user-side optimization", that is if your domain names has the words like pharmacy(phamacy), prescription(perscription), perscription(s), drugs, pills... etc... the same guys? hmmm...

[TurnkeyRx]

Hybrid,


Need to set up a time tomorrow to go over all the details and information I have collected regarding your problem.I will be in touch tomorrow afternoon or e-mail me the best time to call.


Hope the Weekend went Well,


Mark

[DaveM]

Have you noticed that usprescription.com and drugoutlet.com are no longer up?

[Americano]

Have you noticed that usprescription.com and drugoutlet.com are no longer up?


Who own these sites? They leave the industry?

[cdc71]

Try www.usaprescriptions.com (http://www.usaprescriptions.com)





CDC71

[PillRoller]

My best website has been nabbed too! by "Healthy Drugs dot com"

[PillRoller]

http://theoantoniou.com (http://theoantoniou.com) ???


Theo? Programmer? EVA Global/HMU? -- do you get the connection?http://www.rxaffiliateforum.com/smileys/smiley2.gif