Commission conversion

[dpillz]

was just wondering how your conversion has changed since "the change"

Mine went down 100% ... maybe a bit less, but with the same amount of traffic (or even more) I haven't made a sale for weeks now on my rxmed1 site.

No conspiracy theory or any crap ... just makes me wonder if it is time not to send more traffic there since it does not make a sale ....

I can actually see people adding stuff to the shopping cart, but no checkout, no sale ....

anyone sees the same ?

ps: as I said, my conversion is down on all my RX sites, but my rxmed1 went down to 0 :(

[Gavin]

Mine is the same as before the shutdown.

[tmittleman]

YES! I noticed a BIG drop. I posted here, but seemed like I was pretty much alone... http://rxaffiliateforum.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3077


I went from several/day to 1 every few days. The last couple days it has trickled back a little but the flow is definately lower than before. I checked all links and everything appears ok.


I was thinking it was in part toolder caches of the site liek with AOL, but that should be resolving correctly now and I would think others in the forum would be noticing the same.


Someone else mentioned they thought the refills and new orders were mixed up, and I've noticed more refills than new orders too. It's nice to see those refills, but the new orders should be much higher than the refills since I only started in December.


Is there a way to test the order form without making a purchase? Did their order form change?

[chicago2]

i saw an increase of new sales actually since welton started

[kurkapan]

mine conversion rate went down from 46% to 13%

[Joe 90]

Mine's way down too. smileys/smiley6.gif

[Thinker]

I have the same problem - conversion rate used to be around 30%, now it isless than10%.


All of my other programs - are still around 30%+


I can test the traffic, the sales are a mystery.

[tmittleman]

Does anyone know if theorder form changed? Maybe it's longer?

[FlippyOdegard]

I haven't had any change in conversions - it's still generally 20-30% for me, which is the same as it was before the changeover.

[IWorkForFree]

My orders are down 1/2, and I am getting complaints from people that the order form is booting them after they enter all their info, or it won't let them log in, and the result is they cannot order. Anyone else getting these complaints?

[Affiliate-Guy]

My order rate has dropped off sharply these last few days or so ... conversion of less than 10% when it was avaraging around 20%.


Maybe the cart is a little messy? Man today I was bumbed out ... less than 10 sales by 6pm ...usally I would have around 20+ by that time. Here to hoping things start to smooth out...


Cheers,

[Thinker]

My orders are down 1/2, and I am getting complaints from people that the order form is booting them after they enter all their info, or it won't let them log in, and the result is they cannot order. Anyone else getting these complaints?








After posting about my slowdown I check the order form myself. I'm interested to find if anyone has these same problems:


1. - The switch to the secure server is very slow. The servers on my sites are very fast, but there is a strange delay when swithing to RxMedical's secure server.


2. - I tried to enter an order myself and it seems that something is wrong with the code on the order form. I made a mistake (forgot to check a box), when this happens it returns you to the order form and says something like - "correct the error in red." Well, I could not figure out what was wrong with the form. No matter what I did, I could not get past the first page.


Can anyone repeat this problem on their sites? Make a mistake and try to correct it, you cannot!

[NewbiusMaximus]

Record low for me today...1 sale smileys/smiley3.gif. I'll try and duplicate what you're seeing Thinker. I'll try and notify Welton as well....

[ChesterCoperpot]

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My conversions are 1/2 of what they were compared to the last 2 weeks smileys/smiley5.gif


Not a HUGE deal for me tho cause I only send a small fraction of my traffic to RXM1 until they pay me my past commissions smileys/smiley4.gif

[andrew13]

I have the same numbers as pre-switch period.

[Affiliate-Guy]

My numbers seam to fall week by week ....



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That is quite a drop from my first week when I hit over 20% conversion rate....


Hope my conversions can atleast make it into the "teens" this week is terrible ;-(


But at least I got my money ;-)


Cheers,

[IWorkForFree]

I get complaints from customers that it is hard to navigate the order form.

[MrMullet]

Anyone thought of informing rx medical network?


Quite frankly for me it's a bit down as well, used to be around 12% now it's around 8%, but the difference isn't that drastic, so far my numbers are sucking since the beginning.

[chat]

During the past3 weeks, my traffic to sales ratio increased from 10% to 19% - exactly the opposite of what most of you are seeing.

[MrMullet]

Damn the past 2 days have been the best traffic wise, yet not a single sale with all the people clicking the buy now links. WTF is going on?

[Affiliate-Guy]

The shopping cart is loading terribly slow .... customers are backing out and not waiting ....


How long do you wait at a site that is "loading" before you go some where else?


What a bummer ... now were getting wires but the site is painfully slow ...


What to do ....

[cdc71]

I seem to have a lot more "potential" customers bailing out of the shopping cart.


I have to agree that the cart appears to be painfully slow.


Brittin, can you look into this???CDC71

[NewbiusMaximus]

no 1st sales yesterday. I'm having my "worst episode ever".

[MrMullet]

Most sales i've been getting have been re-orders lately and i've been using RM1 for only a month lol





I'm getting more re-orders than orders like 3:1smileys/smiley5.gifsmileys/smiley3.gif

[NewbiusMaximus]

My reorders used to be STELLAR. Now, they just trickle in. With all of the refill reminders I've been getting from different sites and companies, I have a feeling they'll keep just trickling in.

[MrMullet]

anyone seen improvement?

[Thinker]

Maybe it is because Sundays are slow, but the switch to the secure serveris screaming fast now. No more 10 second delay.

[MrMullet]

lol yeah fast or not 2% ain't very good smileys/smiley6.gif


daaaaaaaamn

[tmittleman]

I sent an email to them referring them to this thread. Lower conversions hurt us all. Whatever changes they made to the order form, they should reevaluate it and revise it somehow.

[tmittleman]

Fast response from Brittin smileys/smiley1.gif


&gt; Thanks, we are looking into it.
&gt;
&gt; Brittin

[ChesterCoperpot]

we are looking into it.



Good luck.


Ive been getting that same answer about my past due commissions for 2 months.

[MrMullet]

Does looking into it include taking down the shopping cart on a monday?smileys/smiley7.gif

[tmittleman]

Hey if they can make the cart better and it converts more sales, I'd like them to do it ASAP.... Monday or not.

[MrMullet]

Yeah do something, unless i'm getting alot of wankers to the cart 3.xx% is unacceptable. smileys/smiley11.gif


Is everyone else sseing better conversions now that it's faster?

[NewbiusMaximus]

Still the worst conversion yet for me. I'm currently at 8.33%. 36 uinique hits on the shopping cart, 1 first time sale. Something is DEFINATELY WRONG.

[ChesterCoperpot]

Im at 24% conversion for the week from the trickle of traffic that I send them.

[MrMullet]

noticing the same thing newbius, it's horrible smileys/smiley19.gif


Even noticed some referrers from the shopping cart (ie https://rxordersysblablaand so) like someone is buying but still doesn't go through... very very suspicious.


Maybe it's general processos scrubbing...


Maybe they're shaving to pay for the past payments.smileys/smiley7.gif

[ChesterCoperpot]

Maybe they're shaving to pay for the past payments.smileys/smiley7.gif





Impossible! They are not paying past payments!

[RxRob]

lol

[RxRob]

Maybe they're shaving to pay for the past payments.smileys/smiley7.gif





Naaaaah! Do you think they would do something like that? smileys/smiley3.gif

[Ponomo]

Yeah, I get the same song and dance from them too. I hope they don't think they can run from this.

[MrMullet]

Seriously if they're not shaving i don't know what they're doing but it suckssmileys/smiley7.gif


Any good OP with template sites and a good variety of products anyone?

[nightowl]

Still the worst conversion yet for me. I'm currently at 8.33%. 36 uinique hits on the shopping cart, 1 first time sale. Something is DEFINATELY WRONG.


Yup, something's definitelyf**ked up.Conversion rates were always around20%- 30%. Thena few days ago I'm seeingless than a 5% conversion rate on some of my sites and now it's like thatwith ALL of my RxMed sites. smileys/smiley7.gifIt's sad....

[chat]

Maybe they're shaving to pay for the past payments.smileys/smiley7.gif





Naaaaah! Do you think they would do something like that? smileys/smiley3.gif








Based on the track record, I have my suspicions.

[clivew]

It could be a technical problem in their backend. The small number of sales I put through her disappeared altogether in the last month. April is generally slow - but my other programs are running pretty well.


The old program used to run in fits and starts -when you complained sales would suddenly appear. Then with little change to traffic sales would stop again.


Another factor is they are not that price competitive.


I now steertraffic clear of these people. Plenty of other good programs around.


http://www.rxaffiliateforum.com/smileys/smiley1.gif

[MrMullet]

It could be a technical problem in their backend. The small number of sales I put through her disappeared altogether in the last month. April is generally slow - but my other programs are running pretty well.


The old program used to run in fits and starts -when you complained sales would suddenly appear. Then with little change to traffic sales would stop again.


Another factor is they are not that price competitive.


I now steertraffic clear of these people. Plenty of other good programs around.


http://www.rxaffiliateforum.com/smileys/smiley1.gif








Sounds like bad shaving to be. f**king RXM1, wouldn't surprise me. The prices being not competitive is kinda BS since the surfer wouldn't click on the buy now button most of the times.


So what good programs do you suggest? I'm sick of gettingscrewed over.

[MrMullet]

so Brittin, any comments?

[Thinker]

My traffic to sales ratio for this week is right around 20%. Last week it was around 15%. This is pretty bad, but I'm not going to fan this flame. They are getting junk traffic from me.


------------------------------------------


ASK ME HOW MUCH RXMEDICAL / WELLTON OWES MEsmileys/smiley2.gif

[nightowl]

My traffic to sales ratio for this week is right around 20%. Last week it was around 15%. This is pretty bad, but I'm not going to fan this flame. They are getting junk traffic from me.


Well, cross your fingers andhope they stay up there for ya. smileys/smiley2.gif Around 2 weeks ago some people started to complain up their conversion rates nosediving andstartedthis thread. But at that time my conversion rates were stillway up in the 20% - 30% range and so Ifigured this was an isolated incident and thereforeshouldn't beconcerned.Well, this same problem started to occur on my websites this past week. Saw my own conversion rates nosedive fromaround 30% down to a low one figure in a matter of a few days. smileys/smiley7.gifSeems that alot more people are complaining about this same problem this past week.

[clivew]

<DIV>Two bad assed fraudsters from Split in Croatia. Found on 2 of my programs -we have addresses and websites.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>INNES RADIC (not confirmed yet)</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>DANIJEL RUZEVIC - caught processing 5 orders onfraudulent credit card</DIV>

[RxRob]

Interestingly, RxMedical - Pharmical rates just 1 step off "Avoid" list http://www.rxaffiliateforum.com/smileys/smiley6.gif





Hmmm...that's strange. smileys/smiley5.gif

[redex]

What is useless about recruiting affiliates? smileys/smiley5.gif

[PillRoller]

That looks like a bogusaffiliate site, notice all the spam links at the bottom of the page? Who made these ratings?

[SmileyB]

Just to reiterate my past correspondence, we will be paying all of the back commissions over the next few weeks. As we build our funds, we will get them out to you all.


We are not "shaving", we value our affiliates and realize that without your marketing efforts we would not be in business. We will NEVER be a company that shaves or even markets against our affiliates. We are an affiliate software company, not a marketing company. Thanks!

[seodoc]

As we build our funds, we will get them out to you all.





Sounds like a ponzi scheme gone bad.

[seodoc]

What is useless about recruiting affiliates? smileys/smiley5.gif





nothing, i was talking about the site, did you look at it? LOL

[Bad Ass Rocker]

Just to reiterate my past correspondence, we will be paying all of the back commissions over the next few weeks. As we build our funds, we will get them out to you all.


We are not "shaving", we value our affiliates and realize that without your marketing efforts we would not be in business. We will NEVER be a company that shaves or even markets against our affiliates. We are an affiliate software company, not a marketing company. Thanks!





That's very good to hear. I am waiting on the past due though. Good thing I have backup things I'm doing, so I can live in the meantime. I do have faith that I will be paid, and I'll stick to that for as long as I can.

[clivew]

That looks like a bogusaffiliate site, notice all the spam links at the bottom of the page? Who made these ratings?


The links at the bottom are known as a Site Map - kind of useful when there are 300 pages to the site. Only foolslaugh whilewinners learn.


http://www.rxaffiliateforum.com/smileys/smiley1.gif

[seodoc]

However,I will review RxMedicalNetwork's rating upwards.





Definately worthy of the '5 star' at this point.smileys/smiley14.gif

[ChesterCoperpot]

Definately worthy of the '5 star' at this point.smileys/smiley14.gif





How can you give 5 stars to an affiliate program that has not paid commissions to many affiliates? smileys/smiley5.gif

[phonehome.]

we will be paying all of the back commissions over the next few weeks


With respect, we've been hearing that line for quite a while now.Will it take legalrecourse toreceivepayment?

[redex]

It's only been a few weeks smileys/smiley4.gif

[phonehome.]

....since 1939

[SmileyB]

PhoneHome,


I am trying to be honest with you with the information that I have. I have not made commitments, other than in the beginning when I didn't know better, to pay the back pay. I am now making a commitment that they will all be paid over the next few weeks. Thanks!

[pharmjax]

...We will NEVER be a company that shaves or even markets against our affiliates. We are an affiliate software company, not a marketing company. Thanks!

I would love to believe you but why are the customers that ordered on one of my RxMedical sites getting refill notices from the following sites:

rx-refill.net
www.reliantmeds.com
ValueTrustRx.com
pilladay.com
thedrugoutlet.com

Some of these are RXMedical/Wellton affiliates others are HMU sites. How is this happening and how did the Wellton sites get access to other affiliate info?

[MrMullet]

Can youconfirm ifthe 2nd tier in the program is working please?





Yeah it works fine

[MrMullet]

Can youconfirm ifthe 2nd tier in the program is working please?








Yeah it works fine

[phonehome.]

I am now making a commitment that they will all be paid over the next few weeks. Thanks!


Please define "few".

[redex]

It will happen

[NewbiusMaximus]

Back on topic, I just don't see what excuse's can justify so many affiliates complaining about mysterious poor conversions. I was always coasting between 30-35% before the transition to Welton. Now I'm at 4-7% and shrinking!


Seriously, with the back pay due to some affiliates, the number of affiliates complaining about sh*tty conversions, how can it not look like Welton is shaving off the top?

[phonehome.]

...not to mention the customer list appears to have been "compromised"

[clivew]

Need to give them a chance to pick up to get a good outcome. Burying too many hatchets now will only get worse outcomes

[clivew]

No point in burying hatchets too soon - need a positive outcome here.

[phonehome.]

Need to give them a chance to pick up to get a good outcome


I wish my bank manager would buy that line.


He doesn't.


Neither do I.

[redex]

Need to give them a chance to pick up to get a good outcome


I wish my bank manager would buy that line.


He doesn't.


Neither do I.





If you are living paycheck to paycheck, you are in the wrong business.

[phonehome.]

If you are living paycheck to paycheck


Quite the opposite.


And I didn't get that way by taking a wait-and-see approach to managing cashflow.


Cashflow makes or breaks businesses. You know that, don't you?

[clivew]

Well - I totally agree about being proactive.


However, inthis situation, the original vessel has already sunk so there isno point in trying to sink the rescue boat.

[redex]

If you are living paycheck to paycheck


Quite the opposite.


And I didn't get that way by taking a wait-and-see approach to managing cashflow.


Cashflow makes or breaks businesses. You know that, don't you?





Cashflow does make or break a business and failure is soon to come when you start to rely on tomorrows income to pay yesterdays bills. Success can also be found without relying on cashflow if you streamline. My monthly nut is $250 for a web server and $100 for basic webserver that I use strictly for backup. I can scrape $350 together in a heartbeat. Streamline!


THIS POST DOES NOT APPLY TOPPC ADVERTISERS WHO CHOOSE TO ROLL THE DICE! smileys/smiley8.gif

[redex]

Well - I totally agree about being proactive.


However, inthis situation, the original vessel has already sunk so there isno point in trying to sink the rescue boat.





Agreed. I have always tried to concentrate on making money, not chasing it. The bank account fills faster with the former rather than the latter. smileys/smiley3.gif


DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU applies here smileys/smiley4.gif


I hate Clich‚s smileys/smiley8.gif

[RxRob]

If you are living paycheck to paycheck


Quite the opposite.


And I didn't get that way by taking a wait-and-see approach to managing cashflow.


Cashflow makes or breaks businesses. You know that, don't you?





Cashflow does make or break a business and failure is soon to come when you start to rely on tomorrows income to pay yesterdays bills. Success can also be found without relying on cashflow if you streamline. My monthly nut is $250 for a web server and $100 for basic webserver that I use strictly for backup. I can scrape $350 together in a heartbeat. Streamline!


THIS POST DOES NOT APPLY TOPPC ADVERTISERS WHO CHOOSE TO ROLL THE DICE! smileys/smiley8.gif





If you sh*t-can the backup server and replace it with a second hard drive on your production server, you can save $100/month. smileys/smiley1.gif

[phonehome.]

I disagree with youabout cashflow. It'sfundamental (http://www.hsbc.com.hk/hk/business/cash/cashflow/cm50100p.htm).


Yes, you need to sell, and yes, you need to keep expenses under control, but if bills don't get paid on time then you need to fundyour business from savings or credit.That is (financially speaking) going backwards.


The real sting is that it is your creditors fault, not yours.I don't let creditors away with debts on principle alone - if they do it to you, they'll do it to someone else.


If you're not spending money on the expansion of a successful enterprise, then you're leaving money on the table. Perhaps you are happy at your current level, which is fine. I'm in expansion mode.


I will be first to praise RX when they pay up. Until such time, they are in default.

[clivew]

Generally verysound advice - there is plenty of room for legitimateexpansion


However, this is a new creditor and needs room - the original creditor has gone.

[phonehome.]

However, this is a new creditor and needs room - the original creditor has gone.


Quite sure about that?


Debt liability doesn't just end. The previous company would need to declare bankruptcy, or the buyer would need to take on the debts. I see no evidence of bankruptcy, but if you have evidence, please forward it to me. The new owners must therefore have taken on the debts, so this is the issue I am addressing.


I want that debt paid.

[phonehome.]

BTW: I would like to add, and give credit where credit due, that RXMed have been paying me since the change-over. It is the outstanding debt I have issue with.

[redex]

BTW: I would like to add, and give credit where credit due, that RXMed have been paying me since the change-over. It is the outstanding debt I have issue with.


Then you should change this:


__________________
RXMedical/Wellton Owe Me Money


to this:


__________________
RXMedical Owes Me Money


smileys/smiley4.gifsmileys/smiley8.gif

[phonehome.]

Are you SURE about that? ;)


As I said, a debt doesn't just disappearbecause of a change of ownership. The authorities would be very interested in any company that implied it did. I certainly hope that isn't the case here.

[redex]

Are you SURE about that? ;)


As I said, a debt doesn't just disappearbecause of a change of ownership. The authorities would be very interested in any company that implied it did. I certainly hope that isn't the case here.





How do you figgerthat if onecorporation sold it's software to another corporation that it is liable for the first corporations debts? smileys/smiley5.gif

[phonehome.]

The current company has stated, on numerous occassions, that it will pay the debts owed. They admit liability.

[RxRob]

I had a big lengthy reply typed here, but I deleted it on purpose.


I'll just say this: It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened and it wasn't just some software sale.

[redex]

The current company has stated, on numerous occassions, that it will pay the debts owed.





In case you haven't noticed...They Are paying! smileys/smiley16.gif

[phonehome.]

That is grand. Once everybody is paid, then there isn't a problem.

[redex]

You got that backwards smileys/smiley8.gif


There isn't a problem. Everyone will get paid. smileys/smiley16.gif

[phonehome.]

Redex, I admire your blind optimisim in the face of the complete unknown :)


Or perhaps you're an insider.


I haven't worked out which.

[redex]

The glass is half empty ... no wait, it's half full ... no wait smileys/smiley8.gif

[PotentMix]

I have now been paid allback commissions.

[DaveM]

I have now been paid allback commissions.


Glad to hear that!


Now let's get my glass FULL.

[fleet11]

I think we have gotten off of the subject here. The topic is commission conversions. Not payment issues.

[DaveM]

I think we have gotten off of the subject here. The topic is commission conversions. Not payment issues.


Oh gee, sorry fleet11.



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So what do you have to add to this topic?