Low Conversion

[Gondrab]

SinceMarch 9, I have experienced catastrophically low conversions on myJive site. Same (even more) amount of traffic, couple clicks, no changes to landing pages nor changes in pricing.


Anyone else ?

[NewbiusMaximus]

I was about to post the same thing. MAJOR drop in conversions, yet the same traffic.


Perhaps we shouldtry the new live help button and actually ask someone over there eh? smileys/smiley2.gif

[Bwana]

I think part of the reason might be in a recent poston their "Phorum."

[rouletteyou]

What was that post. My conversions are ridiculous

[reindex]

Same situation over here in regards to converisons. It's pretty strange.

They dropped pretty far after March 9th for me too.

[Gondrab]

What happens after March, 9th ? They have changed php on html. Maybe Leeroy can give ussomeinfo ?

[chat]

~100 clicks = 1 sale? sumpting wong

[learning]

Same drop for me.

[webwiz]

Me too!


I have emailed Jude, Lee and just about everyone else at Jive and they are probably sick and tired of hearing from me but the reality is that after reading various posts on this board including the ones above, I now know that it is not just me.


I feel that Lee or someone from Jive should come clean and let us know what is really going on.


Judging by one of Leeroy's recent posts, it would appear that they had issues with .php and affiliate commission tracking and this is why they changed back to .html pages.


Peter.

[Gondrab]

How about PA ? It's OK with them now ?

[leeroy]

WebWiz,

What is it that we should "come clean" with? ÿ

You said:
"Judging by one of Leeroy's recent posts, it would appear that
they had issues with .php and affiliate commission tracking and
this is why they changed back to .html pages."

The reality is we changed to html for you and all of our affiliates,
not because of problems. ÿWe never had static HTML in the
past. ÿIf you have been with us for a long time, you should know
that there was a progression from PERL to PHP originally. ÿThis
is because PHP is known to be faster than PERL. ÿSince the
change to PHP, our programmers felt they could increase the
speed a little more by the switch to static HTML. ÿSo the change
was purely for the speed advantages, and not "issues".

Sales for all of our sites and programs across the board (Not
just affiliates) are down, and we feel that it has to do with more
competition than ever before.

After reading through a lot of posts, it's amazing how just about
everyone blames someone else for their problem. ÿHow many
of you have complained about "lowballers" ruining the
industry? ÿIs it not possible that after clicking on your sites, the
customer went looking for these "lowballers?"

[Gondrab]

Thanks for this post Leeroy. But the problem remains - low conversion after March 9.



blames someone else for their problem.


Same traffic, more clicks, same prices, same pages- no orders. Success with Jive during last year - more traffic - more clicks - more sales, less traffic - less sales, but now something new...

[NewbiusMaximus]

Hey leeroy,


ePharm site is showing some jarbled code at the top of the Phentermine page. Could you look into this and give an ETA when it will be fixed?


Thanks.

[NewbiusMaximus]

Looks like it's fixed....thx

[leeroy]

All taken care of!

[leeroy]

There are numerous reasons conversions are low for some
affiliates. Can we explain them all? No. We do everything
possible to ensure everyone gets commission for the sales they
generate. Maybe more people should move their business to
our PA program.



PA is the next generation in affiliate programs.
Most affiliate programs:
1) Require things like cookies, javascript, etc...
2) Have set pricing (They control your potential commission)

We created a program where you get every sale, without
depending on the
end user (patient) and their browser settings.

You also set your own prices, dictating what you make per sale.

[webwiz]

Leeroy,


I will take your advice and sign up with PA and build a new site.


Cheers, Peter.

[ArexCare]

PA is the next generation in affiliate programs.
Most affiliate programs:
1) Require things like cookies, javascript, etc...
2) Have set pricing (They control your potential commission)

We created a program where you get every sale, without
depending on the
end user (patient) and their browser settings.

You also set your own prices, dictating what you make per sale.


Yes.......to create sites like this has long been my internet goal in life...smileys/smiley8.gifbut still sincere truth.

[Gondrab]

TERRIBLE Epharm stats. Only 2 or 3orders since March9.Same traffic, from same sources (90% yahoo&msn), same search keywords, much more clicks. smileys/smiley19.gif

[antoine]

Same here conversions are down significantly. This is with three times the traffic. An increase in competition does not explain why everyones conversions would go down on the same date.

[ArexCare]

Just something I noticed (and speculation....apology).....affiliatepro1 spambot let-loose here in late Feb., received PM's from them Mar. 5 (about the time of low-conversion occurances). With the access to all areas of this board by them, is it possible they are active and accessing other places? Added security updates/measures in order? May be over-concerned, but thought there might remotely be something to the pattern of things.

[clivew]

Another reason for a change of product sales pattern could be change of season, combined with effect of competition and people setting nil profit making prices.


Conversions are down, but declines are also down, indicating fraudsters are moreinto other programs.


Jive's Epharmacist, CyberPills and PillValue are all still ticking over ok, delivering and paying.


I don't see much substance in comments - guess we need to avoid... blaming someonefor what's happening in my world.

[ArexCare]

Agreed and thanks for the nudge. Have tried to refrain.....but had a lapse of restraint. smileys/smiley8.gif

[chopsticks]

clivew: You have the right idea. Looking in the mirror is the best way to optimize oneself.



ArexCare: I understand that it's hard to "hold one's tongue"
sometimes. Heck, I have a helluva hard time sometimes!! But
the Japanese women say that the tongue is the smallest muscle on the
body -- and the hardest to control. (Not 100% true since the ear
has smaller muscles, but the point is still valid.) Putting down
unsubstantiated accusations IN WRITING is neither professional nor
helpful. (And in some cases not even legal -- considering
there ARE laws on the books for liable and slander.)



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I've been with Jude (and JIVE networks) from day 1. I've never
sent traffic elsewhere with the exception of when Phentermine was
pulled temporarily.



I trust Jude, John and Lee implicitly. Not blind faith; but trust.



They've earned that.



And I'd like to think I've earned their respect (and trust) as well.



I've made a CAREER out of the internet (never worked another job. I've
been involved with the WWW since the first beta of Netcape.... and have
been involved in eCommerce since before there was a word for it!
We just called it "selling $hit"!)



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And, perhaps people may want to consider the facts prior to making wild accusations:



1) Economic indicators [Unemployment rates, Purchasing power of the dollar, Consumer confidence]



2) Competition [overseas, domestic, NAFTA related (i.e. Canadian and/or Mexican)]



3) Reduction in target market (i.e. markets being voluntarily opted-out of and/or being legal excluded -- e.g. Florida)





'cause although this is the RxAffililiate forums...



I've seen more organized monkey $hit fights at the z00. smileys/smiley31.gif

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[leeroy]

It's good to see someone finally give us some credit and not
think we are like most of the other programs out there.

I would like to say thank you to you Chopsticks. You actually
pointed something out that we have ovelooked and that is the
Florida thing. Many of these clicks that are not converting to
sales are possibly coming from Florida and Missouri residents
that were able to order from us at one point. Be sure to look for
a gold star in your check this week! smileys/smiley2.gif

We have opened ourselves up more that ever to all of our
affiliates and agents over the last couple months in an effort to
have more commnuication and we encourage all of you to take
advantage of it.

[clivew]

It's good to see someone finally give us some credit and not
think we are like most of the other programs out there.



.......................
Be sure to look for
a gold star in your check this week! smileys/smiley2.gif

...............................................eff ort to
have more commnuication and we encourage all of you to take
advantage of it.


Hey Leeroy, if your handing out bonuses to long standing affiliates - please remember who 1stturned this thread.

[leeroy]

Look for a star in your check as well clivew.

[clivew]

Look for a star in your check as well clivew.




Thanks - I love Easter - particularly when itbrings out the best in everyone.


But - before everyone gets sentimental -remember its back to business is business next week.

[Gondrab]

What is going on ??? Great conversion for the last few days !!! smileys/smiley17.gif

[ArexCare]

ArexCare: I understand that it's hard to "hold one's tongue" sometimes. Heck, I have a helluva hard time sometimes!! But the Japanese women say that the tongue is the smallest muscle on the body -- and the hardest to control. (Not 100% true since the ear has smaller muscles, but the point is still valid.) Putting down unsubstantiated accusations IN WRITING is neither professional nor helpful. (And in some cases not even legal -- considering there ARE laws on the books for liable and slander.)




As a newbie but oldie.....am still learning. Points well taken and plan on contributing, not posting further speculations, etc. Thanks and apologies. smileys/smiley9.gif

[chat]

I agree with you Chopsticks - been doing pharm's since VC was a newbie. People should consider their facts before making wild accusations ie. the MPLLC/rxdome b.s. Not only does is sound very unprofessional, but it has to hurtthe industry.Jivehas never been late with a payment (my measure of trust) and never have they provided untruthful answers to any questions, unlikeall those lying f**ks thathave come... and gone. These guys deserve a lot of credit for running a clean program.

[clivew]

The positive trickle turns to flood. There is hope.

[Gondrab]

Old Jive story -after few weeks with great conversion, only few orders for the last week. SAME TRAFFIC. http://www.rxaffiliateforum.com/smileys/smiley25.gif

[jaguar]

Jive has been as reliable as the sun rising and setting. My traffic is down but my conversions are steady. No complaints.

[Bad Ass Rocker]

For me, there is a difference between complaining and simply asking questions. I don't believe I have ever "complained" about Jive. I know for a fact that I've praised them ever since my first check came (and on time). Although, I have asked questions about my conversions and have received answers. I'm happy with that.
It's funny to me how "everyone" is so ready to jump on a bandwagon. Whether it be good, or bad. It seems as though there are few on here that actually think for themselves. It's like someone farts funny and damn near everyone on the forum is up in arms. I think it's sickening. Although, I do understand those who are concerned. But the threats, allegations, and slander neither get the affiliate nor the OP anywhere. We've all been seeing that with MPLLC.
Although I'm not the biggest money maker on the net, and Jive may not even care what I say because of it, I still stand behind them 100% and for many good reasons.
The other programs I've tried to deal with answer my emails, oh... at least a month after I send them. And when they do answer, the beat around the bush and serve me caca on a silver platter...
Yes, conversions are very sh*tty right now (me included), but I disagree with both the affiliates and Jive... As I said, the bandwagon starts very easily, and blames are loosely tossed around, but there are some blames that are legit to me. Not necessarily blaming Jive though. It's amazing to me how when things happen, so many are surprised. I'm not saying I know everything about anything and anything about everything, but If anyone knows anything, it's that it's very, extremely cut throat... And greed is a factor that is beyond anyones control...
It does bother me though, how ignorant people are... Instead of everyone making a "little" money and living fine... There are the greedy bastards who have to ruin it for everyone else... Whether it be lowballers, crooked OPs, what have you... And that's with absolutely everything...not just selling drugs.
So, I guess my biggest point (if you guys haven't fallen asleep yet) is to not be so surprised when things happen. You all know the nature of this business. Ups and downs... Go with the flow and quit bitchin'... It really doesn't do anyone any good... Don't complain, ask questions, take answers...
Jive is not out there to screw you...and if they are (which I believe not)...you're telling me you aren't used to it by now? Live and learn. You choose to do business with these people, you can choose to crash and burn just the same. Regardless ofwhat's going on, I believe Jive will follow through with anything and everything that is asked of them. You can bitch about MPLLC and the likes, but I don't think Jive has given us any reason to be unsettled. (Now I'm sounding like theicollect of Jive...no offensesmileys/smiley17.gif) Ok, enough of my crap for now...
Now the influx of contradictory opinions...which I'm all for... smileys/smiley1.gif

[webwiz]

Bad Ass Rocker,


I agree with you.


99% of the time I have and will continue to back Jive however there is one thing that still makes me wonder sometimes and it is this:


It is fair and reasonable that our sales/conversions will fluctuate due to a number of things but when all of a sudden lots of people are complaining of the same problem (same traffic and major drop in conversions) at the same time, it is right to ask and expect to get a reasonable answer and Jive has not always been forthcomming in this respect.


Leeroy a while ago posted some reasons but to me it still appeared that some of us were not being credited with sales. Leeroy says its because of peoples browser settings but if you read the PillValue Affiliate site for example, it quite clearly says:


"We actually store your affiliate ID in your customer's record in our database. This ensures that EVERY single re-order placed by a customer you send to us get credited to you"


If this is the case then browser settings should have nothing to do with it. If Joe Blow re-orders and your affiliate ID is loaded into Joes records from his original order with Jive, then you should get the credit.


Right now with exactly the same paid listings I have had for the last 2 years, my sales have plummeted and reorders are likewise!


As far as payments go, Jive have always been excellent, no complaints there at all and when you can get through to them, they are always helpfull.


I suppose we are all a bit paranoid because most of us here have been burnt by the roguesbut who can blame us for being a little paranoid!


Peter.

[clivew]

...........smileys/smiley14.gifDon't complain, ask questions, take answers...






Solid advice - no disagreement here. Object is to grow our business.Not become a pack of whingers.


Hey B A R looks like we've all jumped on this new band wagon - Ihope

[chopsticks]

Leeroy a while ago posted some reasons but to me it still appeared that
some of us were not being credited with sales. Leeroy says its because
of peoples browser settings but if you read the PillValue Affiliate
site for example, it quite clearly says:


"We actually store your affiliate ID </font>in
your customer's record in our database. This ensures that EVERY single
re-order placed by a customer you send to us get credited to you"


If this is the case then browser settings should have nothing to do
with it. If Joe Blow re-orders and your affiliate ID is loaded into
Joes records from his original order with Jive, then you should get the
credit.


Right now with exactly the same paid listings I have had for the
last 2 years, my sales have plummeted and reorders are likewise!






Ummm, unless I'm mistaken your agreement is/was/will be with
PillVALUE specifically (rather than globally across all JIVE Network
sites).


Each Rx site is unique (i.e. PillStore / PillValue aren't the same
customer database). The databases are 'cross-referenced' via an
'abuse database' in order to prevent exploitation... but I don't
believe the systems are entirely integrated to the point that browser
settings aren't important.




If the customer re-ordered from JIVE that isn't the same as
re-ordering from your affiliate link/the original order. (And
I've noticed that a customer has very limited loyalty to the branding
of the pharmacy... and will just as easily "jump off" as they
originally "jumped on"!)






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Perhaps, just perhaps, the fact that you have the "exact same paid listings" for the last two years isn't a good thing.


The internet grows in dog years.




Remaining static (and staying in a holding pattern) in just short of <a target="_blank">asinine (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=asinine)</font></a>.


The thousands of pharmacy sites that have flooded the net in the
last 6 months alone are diluting the marketshare; the reduction of
certain markets like Florida and the simultaneous competition on the
pricing front [i.e. lowballing] have all taken their toll.



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My commissions are solid, and better than ever before!!




Been with JIVE NETWORKS (and the CELESTIAL GROUP) since day... and I'm a happy, happy camper.



My commissions aren't down -- in fact just the opposite: # of
orders, conversions, approvals, etc. are all creeping higher.




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[jaguar]

Just a follow-up regarding paid listings. If you are using ppc pay CLOSE attention to your clicks. I have seen an awful lot of fraudulent clicks recently with ppc engines that did really well last year. I use paid listings on other sites and organic SERPS. My traffic to my jive sites is down because they don't rank as well as they did last month, but the conversions are steady and MUCH better quality than they have been. Only 1 decline in the past 2 weeks and more varied. Last month about 25% were doctor declined and almost all phen. Jive is great!

[NewbiusMaximus]

I believe low conversions right now is just due to season....people just aren't buying right now.


However, I am seeing a LOT more cancellations than ever before and more orders indefinately stuck in Pending. This is my only concern (although slight) with Jive.


Jive still rocks though...

[Gondrab]

During 1-10 Apr. - 15 orders (my normal stable rate during 1.5 year). During 10-16 Apr. - 0 orders. Same traffic, same keywords and positions in SE, same clicks, same landing pages. Last month was VERY strange :1-10 March (20 orders), 10-30 March 3 orders. What is going on ? smileys/smiley7.gif

[clivew]

I think it is seasonal changes - plus people are paying tax end of year.


My traffic is the same as March but conversions are down 10% to 20% in some programs but holdingvery well in others. Depends on sales region and product. That is why we have a spread.

[clivew]

Also, I have a theory when the stock market has a bull run OP sales climb.


When its a bear run .................

[BowFromMI]

During 1-10 Apr. - 15 orders (my normal stable rate during 1.5 year). During 10-16 Apr. - 0 orders. Same traffic, same keywords and positions in SE, same clicks, same landing pages. Last month was VERY strange :1-10 March (20 orders), 10-30 March 3 orders. What is going on ? smileys/smiley7.gif





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