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Pensive
June 7th, 2006, 09:42 AM
Hello,
I have several mpllc pharmacy sites, all over 3 or 4 years old. Some PR6, PR5, and PR4s.

I wanted to find a few quality health or pharmacy sites from anyone here to participate in several contextual link exchanges with these sites of mine.

Three-way contextual linking works because there is no "closed-loop" linking going on and this type of linking is extremely natural looking since the links actually appear within the text of a paragraph instead of crappy directory or link exchange formats such s:

Anchor Text Here - Here is the site description

Example of proper 3-way linking:
Site A, B and C. Site A will link to Site B, Site B will link to Site C and site C will link to site A. You will never find Site A link to Site B AND Site B link to Site A.

Please let me know if you are interested by sending me a PM. Please include several of your sites in the PM so that I can make the best assessment of linking this way in my reply back to you.

PS - I've done this type of linking for about 2 years now and the poker sites and mortgage sites I own have always benefitted from, grown in popularity, and remained solid in Yahoo, MSN, and Google from this type of "natural" linking method. And, IMO, any other type of site linking or exchanges are pretty much mute, hence the recent squashing of recips. from Google.

janet
June 8th, 2006, 12:13 AM
why nt simply using the LinksDealing.com service, it is free and open the pharma sites ...

Pensive
June 8th, 2006, 10:03 AM
Hello Janet.

Linksdealing.com doesn't follow anything outside of the mold of the Linkvault.com linking network that was created over a year ago.

Unfortunately, when you sign up and use a program like Linksdealings.com, you leave yourself open to a "network" of opportunities for search engines to capture many, if not all, of the sites using that network.

That's what happened to linkvault.com. I used that program (as well as other webmasters I know) on a couple of throw-away sites to test it out. They benefitted for about 3-4 months and then Google started killing off the whole network - banning any site using the artificial boosting method.

I could run through a list of about 10 different reasons why not to join Linksdealing.com. Unless you don't care about the site(s) being used, then go for it...

In the end, you're still attaching your site(s) to a network of other sites that you know nothing about. The setup files for Linksdealing.com are not outside of being spotted by Google.

It's also not contextual linking, so your links could appear like this:

Sponsor Sites
-----------------
pharmacy online <-- anchor text to your site
phentermine <-- anchor text to your site
propecia <-- anchor text to your site

So, in the end, you do not get natural linking value as compared to contextual (within paragraphs or within sentences), and from credible or more authority sites... :)

clivew
June 8th, 2006, 10:50 AM
Good answer.
What do you know about textlinkbrokerage - we tried them out with lots of money spent and 0 result.

Pensive
June 8th, 2006, 11:22 AM
Hi Clive,
I dont know of them personally, but I've used others for a few sites and for client's web sites, like:

textlinkbrokers.com
linkadage.com
and
text-link-ads.com

My goal was to not just simply buy a link from the above sites, but to buy some contextual space to write a review or article about products - with links embedded within the text of course.

We received decent results from textlinkbrokers and linkadage, but I've personally found it more valuable to find sites outside of these networks that don't know the money behind selling a page or even selling directory space on their server, like www.sitename.com/pages/web-hosting/, where /web-hosting/ would be the folder we had access too upload and write whatever we wanted within the bounds of good taste of course.

Another text link approach I've used which is harder for the pharmacy business since the industry is often frowned upon is using a couple of internal tools to find high PR sites with age, a good number of BL's, IQL, and even .edu or .gov links already pointing to them.

Then we just offer then a one-time fee for them to place a contextual paragraph on a page with a few of our links within it. This is the sweetest deal of all - no monthly text linking fees, authority sites, and the links are always there.

I have some other linking methods, but the ones above are what I can openly share ;)

janet
June 9th, 2006, 01:53 AM
there is a huge diffrence between linksdealing and some of the other new networks and linkvaoult etc..

the issue is that it is not 3 way linking, the sites which are promoted are not participating in the link exchange, they just get links, you can contribute to the network these site as well, but what i did (and again this is my own strategy) is that i contributed a lot of sites i can waste, like sites built with a pharmacy template that has '00 of pages and data feed automaticly generated sites and other mass pages sites that had little traffic value to me.

this way i am not linking the site i wanted to promote into the network by participating in it and sending links out of it, i was only sending links from the site i was willing to "waste" .

I was refused into digital co-op and linkvault since they do not take rx sites, also most of the links selling services are refusing rx links (and gambling, adult and other industries like that)

now, as i see it IMHO, google may after a lot of work ban sites which participate in the network and sending links (but looking at the addition to my backlinks the network is grawing so fast and it is so diversified in the sites , positions and class C and IPs where my new backlinks are coming from, it will be a very hard work to try to identify the sites in the linksdealing network)
but google and the other SE can not ban sites which just receive links from the network, if this would have been the case then you can easily couse damage to sites which you do not own.
so for the most, it can divaluate the links, and if this is done it needs to identify each and every member of the network, IMO, you can always gain, some more some less, but still gain power (at least it shows up in the ranking :->)

I would love to hear why my strategy which is working for me now, may fail in the long run since i am now putting as lot of my eggs in this basket .
i do understand that this whole biz is short term but i would stuill like to hear your opinion from the SEO prespective

pharmlady
June 9th, 2006, 10:51 AM
There is some good advice on this thread. Thanks :D

affpro
June 9th, 2006, 02:20 PM
Hi Pensive,

Found your posting very informative and it shows you are ahead in thinking and implementation

keep it up :)

Pensive
June 16th, 2006, 10:15 AM
now, as i see it IMHO, google may after a lot of work ban sites which participate in the network and sending links (but looking at the addition to my backlinks the network is grawing so fast and it is so diversified in the sites , positions and class C and IPs where my new backlinks are coming from, it will be a very hard work to try to identify the sites in the linksdealing network)
but google and the other SE can not ban sites which just receive links from the network, if this would have been the case then you can easily couse damage to sites which you do not own.

Thanks for the reply Janet. Sounds like you plan is working, at least partially for you with linksdealing.

I think what anyone reading this must realize is that when you artificially populate your (pharmacy!) web site with links from other sites using any php (or asp) script, you are opening up the door to be spotted.

A lot of people using linkvault and DP linking networks got hammered by Google primarily because Google simply joined up with these networks, spotted flaws in the code, looked for network footprints, and so on.

We had about 6 sites get whacked by this back in September last year.

Either way you look at this, what you and so many others are doing is simply getting standard text links from sites you can't control, plus you're only getting that "stand-alone" link on any number of partner site's pages.

Since we use blogs, forums, comment postings, and so on for links, we see much more weighted results versus stand alone text links on easy-to-spot networks.

Example, I have one client who has an alternative medicine site. He has about 230 naturally occuring links within blogs, forums, etc. that we did for him. This site now outranks several of his other health related sites for high ranking terms even though those sites have over 2k backlinks - one has 2400 and the other over 2000.

So, in a nutshell, I'm just saying that a smaller number of natural links blow the hell out of 2k, 3k, or more reciprocals, network, or other types of unnatural linking.

Hit me up through PM if you'd like more information on linking.