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    I just got off the phone with the DEA. There is not a legal model on the web. Unless a doctor sees a patient face to face(portamed is not legal) the resulting prescription is illegal. By this afternoon I will not have a single prescription drug site operating until a new model can be forumlated. I strongly advise that everyone follow suit as there is no longer any doubt.

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    Thats old news, no?

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    Thanks for the heads up! I'm pulling out now!

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    So even MPLLC's new model won't be legal? [img]smileys/smiley11.gif[/img]
    ok... so my name's not really hector

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    icollect, are you comfortable that shutting down now will keep you out of trouble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icollect


    I just got off the phone with the DEA. There is not a legal model on the web. Unless a doctor sees a patient face to face(portamed is not legal) the resulting prescription is illegal. By this afternoon I will not have a single prescription drug site operating until a new model can be forumlated. I strongly advise that everyone follow suit as there is no longer any doubt.


    Are you saying that ALL online model for ALL prescription drugs is illegal?



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    did you ask them if it is illegal to market for a company that provides these services?

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    I asked them as a webmaster that promotes INTERNET pharmacies. First I asked them about controlled via a questioner, the answer was an immediate yes. The second thing I asked them about was the portamed model. The lady,I have her name, but will not post it at her request, had to ask the other agents working on INTERNET interdictions. This model is also illegal. I asked her for a grace period for all ofus to shutdown oursites. That was also granted. I will be modifying the new model to embrace these new realities.

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    What is this grace period?
    Wow, people read this thing?

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    This new model will have to be doctor to patient visits. What would the difference be than someone simply setting up an appointment and getting medications? I mean, if you have DR's going to people's houses, that has to be expensive. Imagine the fees.... will ya?
    Wow, people read this thing?

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    Icollect. What is the best way to "shut down". Delete all files and change the nameservers? Or just delete all files?
    If you follow the crowd you get no further than the crowd.

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    If you can (without fees of reconnect), tell your host to disconnect it so it wont resolve. Those that have reseller accounts will find this extremely easy to do other than the fact that with a click of a mouse, you'll lose thousands a week.
    Wow, people read this thing?

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    The DEA has no jurisdiction over non controlled meds OR MPLLC for that matter since there are no controlled meds offered. Anyone want to clarify how the DEA can go after MPLLC?


    I just checked 20 of Icollects domains and they do infact 404
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    WSJ Article today:
    Online Medication Market
    Faces Government PR War<DATEANDTIMESTAMPWITHBR />



    DOW JONES NEWSWIRES<DATEANDTIMESTAMPWITHBR />
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    <st1:State><st1lace>WASHINGTON</st1lace></st1:State> -- The federal government is launching an attack on abuse of prescription drugs -- and this one is coming to Internet users' computer screens.
    Several government agencies have banded together to fight prescription-drug abuse and plan to create pop-up warning ads that surface on computer screens when users search for certain prescription drugs.
    The pop-ups are part of a campaign against abuse of prescription drugs, undertaken by the Food and Drug Administration, the Drug Enforcement Agency, the U.S. Surgeon General and the White House's Office of National Drug <st1:PersonName>C</st1:PersonName>ontrol Policy.
    "No medicine is completely safe," FDA <st1:PersonName>C</st1:PersonName>ommissioner Dr. Mark B. Mc<st1:PersonName>C</st1:PersonName>lellan said at a press conference Monday announcing the new efforts. "We will develop public-service announcements that will run in traditional media as well as reminders on the Internet when people search for drug information."
    The Bush administration said the plan is the first coordinated effort to curb illegal abuse of prescription drugs, which has risen while use of many illegal drugs has waned.
    The government pointed to a 2003 <st1lace><st1:Place>University</st1lace> of <st1:PlaceName>Michigan</st1:PlaceName></st1lace> study that found 10.5% of 12th graders used Watson Pharmaceuticals Inc.'s painkiller Vicodin and less than 5% used cocaine and ecstasy.
    "We're taking a more aggressive stance against Internet pharmacies offering controlled substances without the controls," said John Walters, the administration's drug czar. The effort will also include working with shipping and credit card companies to cut off distribution and payments to illegal operations, Mr. Walters said.


    DEA Administrator Karen Tandy said the initiative will protect doctors and patients who legi<st1:PersonName>tim</st1:PersonName>ately prescribe and use these drugs. "They have nothing to fear from DEA," she said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icollect


    I just got off the phone with the DEA. There is not a legal model on the web. Unless a doctor sees a patient face to face(portamed is not legal) the resulting prescription is illegal. By this afternoon I will not have a single prescription drug site operating until a new model can be forumlated. I strongly advise that everyone follow suit as there is no longer any doubt.


    This is notNew icollect. Why are you doing this now after the DEA published this in 2001?


    http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/notices/2001/fr04 27.htm


    Federal law requires that "A prescription for a controlled substance to be effective must be issued for a legitimate medical purpose by an individual practitioner acting in the usual course of his professional practice" (21 CFR 1306.04(a)). Every state separately imposes the same requirement under its laws. Under Federal and state law, for a doctor to be acting in the usual course of professional practice, there must be a bona fide doctor/patient relationship.


    For purposes of state law, many state authorities, with the endorsement of medical societies, consider the existence of the following four elements as an indication that a legitimate doctor/patient relationship has been established:
    <UL style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
    <LI>A patient has a medical complaint;

    <LI>A medical history has been taken;

    <LI>A physical examination has been performed; and </LI>[/list]

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    <UL style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
    <LI>some logical connection exists between the medical complaint, the medical history, the physical examination, and the drug prescribed. </LI>[/list]

    Completing a questionnaire that is then reviewed by a doctor hired by the Internet pharmacy could not be considered the basis for a doctor/patient relationship.


    A consumer can more easily provide false information in a questionnaire than in a face-to-face meeting with a doctor. It is illegal to receive a prescription for a controlled substance without the establishment of a legitimate doctor/patient relationship, and it is unlikely for such a relationship to be formed through Internet correspondence alone.



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